Author Topic: Topic of the month January 2009 - Getting Started  (Read 5516 times)

Danny the Idiot

  • FiveStars
  • *****
  • Posts: 1921
    • View Profile
    • http://www.dannytheidiot.com
Topic of the month January 2009 - Getting Started
« on: December 27, 2008, 01:22:02 PM »
Hi folks,

from the list and as its the begining of the new year - Getting started in Twisting and Balloon Modelling.

How do you start? What do you need? Obviously balloons and a pump!   :roll:  What else?

If your a little along the line what can you recomend to beginners?  
What really helped you?


If your a beginner - what do you want to know?  

cheers
Danny
« Last Edit: January 01, 1970, 01:00:00 AM by Guest »
Danny Schlesinger
Balloon Excellence Award Winner
http://http://www.CircoRidiculoso.com
http://http://www.DannyTheIdiot.com
Follow me on Twitter at @danny_the_idiot

Graham Lee

  • FiveStars
  • *****
  • Posts: 25668
    • View Profile
    • http://www.grahamleesmagic.co.uk/
Re: Topic of the month January 2009 - Getting Started
« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2008, 01:25:37 PM »
Insurance is a must, never go out twisting/entertaining without it.
« Last Edit: January 01, 1970, 01:00:00 AM by Guest »
"Lets Improve Our Art"
Balloon Excellence 2012 Award Winner
For Services to the Balloon Community.
http://www.balloonartwholesale.co.uk
http://www.sempertexballoons.co.uk

Danny the Idiot

  • FiveStars
  • *****
  • Posts: 1921
    • View Profile
    • http://www.dannytheidiot.com
Re: Topic of the month January 2009 - Getting Started
« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2008, 03:16:04 PM »
good point Graham. Public Liability Insurance (PLI) is a must and the cheapest and best I've found is through Equity.

here is a link to how to join!
http://http://www.equity.org.uk/HowToJoin/default.aspx

The benefits are numerous and include £10 million PLI as well as legal help and advice on many topics including contracts.
« Last Edit: January 01, 1970, 01:00:00 AM by Guest »
Danny Schlesinger
Balloon Excellence Award Winner
http://http://www.CircoRidiculoso.com
http://http://www.DannyTheIdiot.com
Follow me on Twitter at @danny_the_idiot

Pam Pearce

  • FiveStars
  • *****
  • Posts: 1058
    • View Profile
    • http://www.balloonsandtunes.co.uk
Re: Topic of the month January 2009 - Getting Started
« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2008, 12:05:57 AM »
Dont you still need contracts to proove you are a working entertainer to join equity?

Pam
« Last Edit: January 01, 1970, 01:00:00 AM by Guest »

Emazdad

  • TwoStars
  • **
  • Posts: 159
    • View Profile
    • http://www.emazdad.co.uk
Re: Topic of the month January 2009 - Getting Started
« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2008, 10:02:55 AM »
You need decent proffessional marketing Material, and a polite friendy Telephone Manner.

Have your Prices and basic Telephone Script written down until you get used to taking the calls, and remember the last thing you tell them is the price and whether you're free for the date they want. 1, by telling the fee last you get to explain axactly what they get for their money before you tell tthem how much. 2, Once you've convinced them you're the person they want If you're already booked for the date/time they want, they may be more willing to move the party date / time so they can book you.
« Last Edit: January 01, 1970, 01:00:00 AM by Guest »
Yours Funfully
Clive
http://www.emazdad.co.uk

cashmagic

  • FourStars
  • ****
  • Posts: 803
    • View Profile
    • http://www.twistandmake.co.uk
Re: Topic of the month January 2009 - Getting Started
« Reply #5 on: December 28, 2008, 10:59:08 AM »
LEARN as much as you can from

DVDS
CDROM PDFS
BOOKS
SITES
JAMS

I try to get some thing new every month and try to us it when you work to keep things fresh. 8-)
« Last Edit: January 01, 1970, 01:00:00 AM by Guest »
life is full of twist and turns i just twist it first !!!
http://www.twistandmake.co.uk

Graham Lee

  • FiveStars
  • *****
  • Posts: 25668
    • View Profile
    • http://www.grahamleesmagic.co.uk/
Re: Topic of the month January 2009 - Getting Started
« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2008, 01:54:32 PM »
In the members area club zone we're talking about provisional bookings, so my suggestion for those that may just be starting out in the twisting/entertaining field is to only take confirmed bookings as if you write a few provisional dates in the diary this will eventually lead you to loosing work.
« Last Edit: January 01, 1970, 01:00:00 AM by Guest »
"Lets Improve Our Art"
Balloon Excellence 2012 Award Winner
For Services to the Balloon Community.
http://www.balloonartwholesale.co.uk
http://www.sempertexballoons.co.uk

Martin

  • FourStars
  • ****
  • Posts: 645
    • View Profile
    • http://www.balloonimals.co.uk
Re: Topic of the month January 2009 - Getting Started
« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2008, 08:35:50 AM »
I'm fairly new and starting out in the sense that I have a simple website and do a few gigs (some paid and some local community group stuff), although at present I am not really trying to establish twisting as a source of income I depend upon.

What I want to know from you experienced guys is generally what complexity of model you are making in a run-of-the-mill twisting situation (accepting that every gig is different :!:) and how long it takes you per model.

I have listed below 4 levels of balloon that I personally think suitable for a line twisting scenario, and the time it takes me to make them. What I would like to know is where experienced twisters pitch on this list, and how long it takes you for each level of model....

Level 0 (Very basic) e.g. sword, dog, flower (My time: 1 min)
Level 1 (Basic +) e.g teddy on a flower, heart wand (My time: 2-3 mins)
Level 2 (Intermediate) e.g Twisted Critters Hat, Thunder Thighs (My time:4-5 mins)
Level 3 (Complex) e.g. Ken Stillman Superhero (My time:10 mins)

I realise every twister/ gig/ client is different but any insights would be very gratefully appreciated.

Thanks,
Martin
http://www.balloonimals.com
« Last Edit: January 01, 1970, 01:00:00 AM by Guest »

Danny the Idiot

  • FiveStars
  • *****
  • Posts: 1921
    • View Profile
    • http://www.dannytheidiot.com
Re: Topic of the month January 2009 - Getting Started
« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2008, 11:20:10 AM »
Hi Martin,

just to point out your website isn't up and running yet. I clicked on your link in your signature.

It would be good to have a holding page with you contact details on just incase someone is interested in booking you!!!


best wishes
Danny
« Last Edit: January 01, 1970, 01:00:00 AM by Guest »
Danny Schlesinger
Balloon Excellence Award Winner
http://http://www.CircoRidiculoso.com
http://http://www.DannyTheIdiot.com
Follow me on Twitter at @danny_the_idiot

YvonneH

  • FiveStars
  • *****
  • Posts: 1231
    • View Profile
    • http://www.loonyballoony.co.uk
Re: Topic of the month January 2009 - Getting Started
« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2008, 12:08:54 PM »
Oh thanks Danny as you have just reminded me I haven't put up holding pages for my other sites yet  :roll:

I am new to the business of twisting and some of the things that have been listed above are very helpful indeed.

One thing I would like to ask is with your websites do you only put up pics of stuff you actually do on jobs or is it all more impressive stuff or do you have a mixture of both?

Martin

  • FourStars
  • ****
  • Posts: 645
    • View Profile
    • http://www.balloonimals.co.uk
Re: Topic of the month January 2009 - Getting Started
« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2008, 12:43:03 PM »
Thanks Danny...

It would be even better if I gave you the correct link http://www.balloonimals.co.uk

Martin.
« Last Edit: January 01, 1970, 01:00:00 AM by Guest »

Bonnie

  • ThreeStars
  • ***
  • Posts: 384
    • View Profile
    • http://www.partypackage.balloonhq.com/
Re: Topic of the month January 2009 - Getting Started
« Reply #11 on: December 29, 2008, 05:25:02 PM »
Quote from: "Martin"

What I want to know from you experienced guys is generally what complexity of model you are making in a run-of-the-mill twisting situation (accepting that every gig is different :!:) and how long it takes you per model.

I have listed below 4 levels of balloon that I personally think suitable for a line twisting scenario, and the time it takes me to make them. What I would like to know is where experienced twisters pitch on this list, and how long it takes you for each level of model....

Level 0 (Very basic) e.g. sword, dog, flower (My time: 1 min)
Level 1 (Basic +) e.g teddy on a flower, heart wand (My time: 2-3 mins)
Level 2 (Intermediate) e.g Twisted Critters Hat, Thunder Thighs (My time:4-5 mins)
Level 3 (Complex) e.g. Ken Stillman Superhero (My time:10 mins)

I realise every twister/ gig/ client is different but any insights would be very gratefully appreciated.

Thanks,
Martin
http://www.balloonimals.com

Martin,

You will find that while you are capable of making lots and lots of super designs, you will always be limited to a certain amount of time per person while working.  When I first started twisting in public I was slower than a snail so that really limited what I could make in public.  I had to pick designs that fit my speed level and not my skill level.  As my speed increased, so did the quality of of the designs I used.

Even now I'm not the fastest of twisters and I really don't try to be.  I figure I'm there to make something that each person will be happy getting and not to show how fast I can twist.  While what I prefer to make would fall into your level 2 category even that can be a bit tricky when time becomes your enemy (little brothers show up to pick up their big brother from the party).  For me one of the keys to making sure I'm making designs I'm proud to hand over is to find designs that are in your level 0 and level 1 categories that I am willing to make then supplement them into my level 2 category designs.  

For instance: I just made a deer hat (which takes me around 5 minutes) but there are 2 boys waiting and the mom suddenly says they have to leave in about 5 minutes.   I know I don't have time to make the other boys something similar so I make them Andrew McDonald's bow and arrow instead. (Andrew's bow and arrow takes about 2 mins.)  Then I tell the last two boys to go hunting for deer.  Everyone leaves happy, including the mom.

One of the other keys things I do is to use colors to my advantage.  For instance: I was shown a 3 balloon ball back in 2005 (by the same guy who does the Tac weave).  It's a very simple, quick ball (about 1.5 minutes) and the kids love playing with it but to highlight that it uses 3 balloons and make it seem even more valuable to the recipient, I always make it using 3 different colors.  

I also use larger balloons to make category 0 designs.  For instance: I take the 1 balloon teddy bear and make it with 2 - 360s instead.  This puts it in your level 1 category when it comes to speed, but it also makes it an impressive figure to hand out along with your level 2 designs.

Hope this helps,
Bonnie, The Balloon Lady
P.S. I never make level 3 designs while working.  Laval 3 and higher are the kind of designs I 'take' with me for the guest of honor.
« Last Edit: January 01, 1970, 01:00:00 AM by Guest »

Emazdad

  • TwoStars
  • **
  • Posts: 159
    • View Profile
    • http://www.emazdad.co.uk
Re: Topic of the month January 2009 - Getting Started
« Reply #12 on: December 29, 2008, 06:18:09 PM »
Hi Martin,

How you work depends on what's happening at the time. Ideally you should be able to work at a nice steady pace doing levels 2-3 with occassional bursts of level 4 if you're not too busy.

However sometimes you can end up in Balloon machine mode, lots of kids, not too mucg time in which case you work at level 1 with the simplest balloons.

Being the balloon factory is the worse way to work because you don't have time to impress people so learning how to control the crowd is very important.
« Last Edit: January 01, 1970, 01:00:00 AM by Guest »
Yours Funfully
Clive
http://www.emazdad.co.uk

Twysted Kreations

  • TwoStars
  • **
  • Posts: 197
    • View Profile
    • http://www.sonshinedclown.com
Re: Topic of the month January 2009 - Getting Started
« Reply #13 on: December 31, 2008, 12:03:05 PM »
oH,Bonnie, you hit it with Andy's bow and arrow. I agree! Once you make the Bow and Arrow... everyone wants one.

I love bringing the receiver into the "kreation" part....  (Interactive ballooning  - lol)

What I do is I have the "receiver" hold the tip of the arrow - telling them its to ensure it is going to be straight. Then when its all finished...  I do .. is a "Quality Control" Check
and shoot one of the arrows... * :D *  
Now, "EVERYONE" in the place -  no matter where they are, sees this little thing flying through the air and wa la...  everyone forgets about the other things on the list... and I start cranking out bows and arrows for them...

quick .... easy... and very FAST
« Last Edit: January 01, 1970, 01:00:00 AM by Guest »

Tony Twist

  • ThreeStars
  • ***
  • Posts: 375
    • View Profile
Re: Topic of the month January 2009 - Getting Started
« Reply #14 on: December 31, 2008, 12:11:51 PM »
i need a good Public Liability Insurance im not a member of equty do you know of any others
« Last Edit: January 01, 1970, 01:00:00 AM by Guest »
Regards
Tony Twist

http://www.tonytwist.co.uk